they've made more than $30 million euros after kidnapping french citizens because the french will pay for the nationals to come back. up until this point, they hadn't taken an american hostage and now they have at least three. >> so they would view perhaps mali as the next afghanistan or having the possibility of being the next afghanistan before 9/11 when in fact it was a haven for al qaeda. >> there are parallels there because in some ways, you know as one u.s. official said to me half jokingly it's the world's worst neighborhood. you have islamic extrialists, you have al qaeda through aqim, you have drug traffickers up there in the north of mali. and you have just rebels who want some independence to split the country in two. so in that mix you have that worry that you can create within the chaos a command and control center. like what you saw al qaeda do through the taliban in afghanistan. so that's the fear that it can become a launch pad. >> rose: on another matter finally, when dow expect the secretary of state to testify about ben gazee-- ben gaddee? >> secretary clinton will